From the comment section @ Salon:
What is never discussed is that in the years after Mohammed’s death his followers created one of the world’s most advanced, progressive civilization – at the same time Europe was sunk in the Dark Ages. Yes, they used military conquest to gain power, but that was what all societies did. The Islamic caliphate was very advanced in science, math (algebra, Arabic numerals, adopting zero) medicine, architecture, trade. The library at Córdoba was enormous.it was the. Muslims who preserved the knowledge of Ancient Greece and Rome, knowledge that was rediscovered by Europeans in the beginning of the Renaissance. The caliphate was also very tolerant of other religions. For example, Jews were renowned scholars and served as advisors to rulers. The law protected women more the did the laws in the Christian world. Women were allowed to divorce and own property.
The fact that this is what the early followers of Islam created is evidence that it is not inherently a violent, anti-modern religion. That many followers today twist it to be so in order to justify their own tribalism and fears is no different than what many Christians have done. The KKK was a Christian organization, today’s hateful right wing is dominated by people proclaiming their Christianity all the while advocating for things that are in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus – disdain for the poor, love of aggression and violence instead of turning the cheek, refusing to “render unto Caesar”, etc. These people follow the teachings of Christianity-hating, atheist Ayn Rand, not the teachings of Jesus yet they label themselves Christian and have bizarrely become the face of that religion for many.
That some people will pervert a religious leader’s (or philosopher’s) teachings to justify their actions does not mean that the original teachings are at fault.
By the way the Pew poll everyone refers to is not as clear cut as reported. For one thing the stats for Muslims who support sever punishment are percentages of Muslims who want sharia law to be the official law of their countries – a percentage of a percentage not of all Muslims surveyed. The survey also showed a lot more tolerance than the simplistic reporting most of us saw.
Ugh! Bill Maher makes my skin crawl. Just compare that expression on his stupid bigoted face when he talks about anything to do with Islam, against whatever else he talks abut. That stupid movie he made called ‘Religiosity’ is an example – he tarnished every religion except Judaism – where he just brought up a few quirks of the ‘Ha! Ha!’ variety. Yeah, we get that his Mom is jewish. I guess she didn’t raise him to be tolerant or understanding of other perspectives.
I refuse to watch his show and give him any extra ratings. I hope the day comes soon when he gets what is coming to him for spreading hatred about 1,600,000,000 people in the world.
BTW, just watched the conference on Israel – had some good stuff in it, special the bit from Gideon Levy.
Thanks Cloak. Coincidentally, I just posted up the Gideon talk too (great minds think alike!).
Re: the ‘Real Time’ video: Fareed just didn’t let ANY of Bill Mahr’s islamophobia go unchallenged – slamming Bill time and time again in an ever so polite and logical way while the audience seemed to agree with Fareed. Bill Mahr was aghast, nay even speechless for a couple of seconds when Fareed pointedly told him: “You’re not persuading people. You’re getting applause lines in the West”. Bill’s response (when he partially recovered from Fareed’s righteous statement: ” well,l I’m insulted”. Never mind that the vegan Bill Mahr secretly stuffs himself with pork sausages while getting paid zillions of zionist dollars to offend 1.6 billion moslem people! The f*cking pathetic audacity of claiming offended victimhood here!!
Bill Mahr can dish it out but he’s an ugly frou-frou-elitist son of bitch who can’t even handle a puny droplet of his own bitter medicine! I’d love to meet the cowardly fucker in an alleyway for a good old fashion knuckle sandwich or two. Same with all other israel-firster bastards getting paid Benjamins and public praise to fuck up our country.
guess I’ll have to watch it after all Taxi, blood pressure be darned.
I hate the sight of the smarmy fucker – I can’t stand the sound of his voice or his arrogant histrionics, but I did enjoy watching him get shtumped by Fareed’s sheer polite logic.
And I did note how the turd is getting uglier with age and double-chinned from all them secret saucy sausages stashed under his bed for comfort.
You and I, both. And you wonder why nobody married his attractive ass!
I watched the entire hour. What a narcissist clown Maher is (HBO is free this weekend to promote Game of Thrones). Even after his debate with Fareed he managed to take cheap shots about Islam, and Fareed didn’t have a chance to respond. Maher really thinks he is a good comic, but his material is provincially stale. Elizabeth Warren was also on the episode via video and said some really good things about the direction of this Country.
He also managed to plug Israel when speaking to Warren, something like ‘you and I both are pro Israel…’. The only good thing about the show was Maher said he didn’t have any kids, so there’s no legacy for such a strange person.
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